<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">sorry —we’re 835 openssl installs. wrong drop-down.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">K<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 13, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Ken Cunningham <<a href="mailto:ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com" class="">ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">No doubt it caused some tempest.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was wrong, homebrew’s published stats say they have 5 million openssl installs this year <<a href="https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/install/365d/" class="">https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/install/365d/</a>></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and our analytics say we have 547 <<a href="https://ports.macports.org/port/openssl/stats?days=30&days_ago=0" class="">https://ports.macports.org/port/openssl/stats?days=30&days_ago=0</a>></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And if you think that doesn’t drive everyone’s decision-making extremely powerfully, I would say we are missing the marketing train.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here’s their blurb <<a href="https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics" class="">https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics</a>> about justifying it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again, I know MacPorts is not going to change that (no point now). But from a ‘business’ point of view, it was masterful.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">K</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 13, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Andrew Janke <<a href="mailto:floss@apjanke.net" class="">floss@apjanke.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hi y'all,<br class=""><br class="">I was a core Homebrew maintainer at the time they added analytics. Just<br class="">want to say that Saagar is right; there were a *lot* of Homebrew users<br class="">who did in fact have a problem with it.<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Andrwe<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 6/12/20 9:03 PM, Saagar Jha wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I believe the lack of change there is almost certainly a matter of the project’s personal stance rather than “nobody having a problem with it”. In fact, after the change was merged in there was a fairly long discussion about first disclosing that there were analytics collected at all (which did eventually get implemented) and then switching off of Google Analytics or making it opt-in, which weren’t. Actually, there were multiple discussions but they like the original were generally closed as “WONTFIX” and this has been the policy to this day.<br class=""><br class="">Personally, I would be fairly disappointed if MacPorts went opt-in as such policies suffer from statistical issues in addition to the obvious privacy-related ones.<br class=""><br class="">Saagar Jha<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jun 12, 2020, at 16:48, Ken Cunningham <<a href="mailto:ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com" class="">ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Just FYI Homebrew has always been opt-out for stats. Nobody seems to have a problem with that sufficient to make them change that policy.<br class=""><br class="">We'll never know if that is why they seem to have 10 x the users on their stats page.<br class=""><br class="">K<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>