<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">ciao,<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Jun 2021, at 09:29, Ken Cunningham <<a href="mailto:ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com" class="">ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Seems like a fine idea to me. Thing is, you actually don't want to be that current anyway.</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. as far i understood, for perl the recommended version should be perl5.30 which is stable (even tho’ not maintained), one year old (latest updated 20200601):</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>version<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">latest update<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>status</span></div><div class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.30<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2020-06-01<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>old version - not maintained</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.32<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2021-01-23<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>old version - still maintained</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.34<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2021-05-20<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>current stable - not yet in macports</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">moreover it is more “complete” in terms of modules:</div></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name p5.32* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>15</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name p5.30* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1850</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name p5.28* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1848</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name p5.26* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1847</div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>2. what about python? as far as i understood should be 3.9 (also one year old and with 3.10 still in beta, expected release oct 2021):</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>version<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>maintainance<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>release<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>end of support</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.9<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>bugfix<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2020-10-05<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2025-10</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.8<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>bugfix<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2019-10-14<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2024-10</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.7<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>security<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2018-06-27<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2023-06-27</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>security<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2016-12-23<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2021-12-23</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.7<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>end-of-life<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2010-07-03<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2020-01-01</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">as for modules, this is the status:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name py39* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1036</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name py38* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1278</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name py37* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1299</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name py36* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1060</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ferdy@wabi:~$ port info --name py27* | grep name | wc -l</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1331</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">does it make sense? also, what are we supposed to do with python2.7? </div><div class="">—</div><div class="">ferdy</div></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">On Tuesday, June 1, 2021, Daniel J. Luke <<a href="mailto:dluke@geeklair.net" class="">dluke@geeklair.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Jun 1, 2021, at 4:25 PM, Ken Cunningham <<a href="mailto:ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com" class="">ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.<wbr class="">com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
>> is there any overall strategy regarding the update of perl and python version as dependencies?<br class="">
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> The basic idea was to be rational about things, so that end-users don’t need many different perls and pythons installed just because, for example, someone noticed a new perl came out last Tuesday and so changed their ports to that.<br class="">
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> The admins would set the “recommended” perl and python based on updates and software conformance, and all ports would try to use that (unless some given version would be the only version that would work).<br class="">
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> And then, en-masse, at the right moment the “recommended” version would change, all the ports would more-or-less move to the new default at once, if we could.<br class="">
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> How well this is working, whether it is working at all, and how well it is or is not generally supported by the group I could not say.<br class="">
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> But it seemed like a good idea, when for example one needed to build and install two or three perls and two or three pythons just to install git.<br class="">
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For perl, we should just ship one perl as 'perl5' and have everything depend on it (and revbump the world of perl when we upgrade it). It takes us too long to migrate everything 'nicely'<br class="">
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I suspect we could do this for python as well, but I've not looked recently at how disruptive newer python versions are.<br class="">
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... but I've said it before and people don't really like that idea, I guess :)<br class="">
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Daniel J. Luke<br class="">
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