<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 27 Sep 2021, at 10:36 pm, Ian Wadham <iandw.au@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Hello Chris,</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 27 Sep 2021, at 8:42 am, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The majority of ports will indeed build fine with just the CLT installed.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>So what is the “recipe” to install just the CLT with no version of Xcode present? And can that recipe be included in the MacPorts Guide?</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I’ve no idea on the ‘best’ way as personally i want Xcode anyway, but you could try navigating to </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://developer.apple.com/download/more/?=command%20line%20tools">https://developer.apple.com/download/more/?=command%20line%20tools</a> </div><div><br></div><div>and install the correct version from there. If your next question is whats the correct version see</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://trac.macports.org/wiki/XcodeVersionInfo">https://trac.macports.org/wiki/XcodeVersionInfo</a></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>There are a number though where the build does indeed require a complete Xcode installation, which is why the baseline recommendation is to install Xcode. However if you are ok with perhaps running into the occasional port failure (the likelihood for which depends on which ports you use) you likely can get by just fine with just the CLT.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Couldn’t those ports list Xcode as a build dependency?</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Not just like a regular port dep., so it gets installed as required.<div><br></div><div>There is an Xcode PG which handles this and I think errors out if Xcode is not installed, so its fairly obvious what is wrong.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br><span>If a dependency has to be another MacPorts package, then perhaps there could be a dummy Xcode in MacPorts, maybe just a Portfile, that checks the presence and version of the Xcode.app.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>See above. A PG to handle this already exists.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br><span>Otherwise, new MacPorts users may be paying a 20Gb disk storage penalty forever more. And the time to download and install Xcode could become a disincentive for new MacPorts users in any case…</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers, Ian Wadham.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Chris</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 26 Sep 2021, at 10:07 am, Mircea Trandafir <tramir@hotmail.com> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> I’ve been using only the command line tools for more than a year with absolutely no issues (other than the occasional “version not detected” error, but I think that happens with Xcode too).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mircea Trandafir</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Associate professor</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Department of Economics</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>University of Southern Denmark</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Campusvej 55, 5230 Odense M</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Denmark</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Email: mircea.trandafir@sam.sdu.dk</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Web: http://www.mirceatrandafir.com</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 26, 2021, at 5:52 AM, Ian Wadham <iandw.au@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi guys,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have recently upgraded my MacOS from High Sierra 10.13 to Catalina 10.15, mainly because I would like to start playing with a package called Flutter, which has a dependency on Xcode 12+ in its MacBook version.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It appears that Xcode is following some variant of Grosch’s Law, or maybe Parkinson’s Law (software expands to fill the hardware space available to it). So I am wondering, if all a user needs are some MacPorts packages, whether it is necessary to install all (or even any) of Xcode just to get the command-line tools.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have been using MacPorts to get access to FOSS for more than 10 years and have watched the Xcode requirement grow from around 1 Gb of disk to around 20 Gb in Catalina. In Xcode 9, on High Sierra, the requirement was around 10 Gb. So it has roughly doubled in two version steps of MacOS.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>At first I used to regard the Xcode overhead as being like some sort of tax on the pleasure of using FOSS, but now it is taking up an unhealthy portion of the 250 Gb in my MacBook Pro’s 250 Gb internal SSD drive.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I have to put up with this if I wish to use Macports and Flutter, even though, like Dave Horsfall, I am unlikely to use Xcode as an IDE. So is it possible to have MacPorts depend on some minimal subset of Xcode?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ian Wadham.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><span></span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>