<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’m getting back to this because (a) I’m still confused and (b) I had a local disaster which kept me form getting back to it<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 13 Dec 2021, at 04:02, Steven Smith <<a href="mailto:steve.t.smith@gmail.com" class="">steve.t.smith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Java figures out which version to use from JAVA_HOME or /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines. Are you sure that’s not a MacPorts version?<br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Actually, both my machines have Oracle Java 8 version 311 installed it turns out. On both systems the Java panel started via System Preferences says it is “Java 8 version 311”. This version, it seems, will get Oracle patches until 2030 (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history</a>). But these are only installed as Internet Plugins</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">gerben@hermione Contents % /Library/Internet\ Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home/bin/java -version </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">java version "1.8.0_311"</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_311-b11)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class="">Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.311-b11, mixed mode)</span></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">Neither machine has MacPorts openjdk so far. I was asking all of this because I was looking into my Java situation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">on Mojave:</div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">albus:~sysbh$ which java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">/usr/bin/java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">albus:~ sysbh$ `which java` -version</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">java version "12.0.2" 2019-07-16</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 12.0.2+10)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 12.0.2+10, mixed mode, sharing)</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">albus:~ sysbh$ ls -l /usr/bin/java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 74 Aug 10 2019 /usr/bin/java -> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java</span></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(10 aug 2019 last symlink creation. By whom? My guess was this was still Apple)</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">albus:~ sysbh$ ls -l /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">total 0</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 96 Sep 8 2019 jdk-12.0.2.jdk</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div></div></div>on Catalina:</div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione ~ % which java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">/usr/bin/java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione ~ % `which java` -version</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">java version "1.7.0_25"</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_25-b15)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.25-b01, mixed mode)</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione ~ % ls -l /usr/bin/java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 74 Jan 2 2021 /usr/bin/java -> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(Jan 2 2021 last symlink creation. By whom? My guess: still Apple)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione ~ % ls -l /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 38880 Sep 21 2020 /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione ~ % ls -l /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">total 0</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class="">drwxr-xr-x@ 3 root wheel 96 Aug 24 2013 jdk1.7.0_25.jdk</div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Now I am completely confused. Both systems should have Oracle Java 8 installed, version 311. But the older system has Java 12 and the newer system has Java 7??</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">But it doesn’t explain stuff like a Sep 21 2020 java binary that is version 7.</div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And both are not the same binary:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione Contents % /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java -version</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">java version "1.7.0_25"</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_25-b15)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.25-b01, mixed mode)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione Contents % /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_25.jdk/Contents/Home/bin/java -version </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">java version "1.7.0_25"</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_25-b15)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.25-b01, mixed mode)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione Contents % cmp /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_25.jdk/Contents/Home/bin/java</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_25.jdk/Contents/Home/bin/java differ: char 12, line 1</span></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">So far my guess is that those non-recently-updated-Oracle-java8’s are leftovers, e.g. from older iTunes-related software (which, as it was for both Windows and macOS was probably fully java).</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">One of those leftovers has been picked up as the java to use by MacPorts apache-solr8</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Basically, this means I probably should try to clean out those old java’s and make sure solr8 uses a recent one. Maybe move to openjdk via MacPorts.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">G</div></span></div></span></div></span></div></div><div><br class=""></div><div>PS. Apple still ships (embedded) javas. E.g.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">gerben@hermione ~ % /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/SharedFrameworks/ContentDeliveryServices.framework/Versions/A/itms/java/bin/java -version</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">openjdk version "14.0.2" 2020-07-14</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">OpenJDK Runtime Environment 14.0.2-5906ce1373 (build 14.0.2+12-iTunesOpenJDK-5)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 14.0.2-5906ce1373 (build 14.0.2+12-iTunesOpenJDK-5, mixed mode)</span></div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">or </span></div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">gerben@hermione ~ % '/Applications/iTunes Producer.app/Contents/itms/java/bin/java' -version</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">openjdk version "1.7.0-internal"</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0-internal-root_2015_05_12_09_52-b00)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.80-b07, mixed mode)</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(That one also has an older log4j…). Seems even Apple has its problems with LCM.</span></div></span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>