[macports-mgr] Hey, I would like to propose that we cut the gordian knot.

[James Berry]

Hi Jordan,

As usual, you work well to cut through the bureaucracy ;) I'm not so  
opposed to going along with your suggestion to just get this thing  
done, or that an official "vote" may be superflous. But I also think  
it's premature to assume that the list of nominees so far, is  
complete, given that we haven't called for nominees (or "interested  
parties") yet.

So I'd like to request that anybody interested in PortMgr announce  
their intent (via nomination, or not) by the close of this Friday.

James

On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:55 AM, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_knot)
>
> Having just read jmpp's request for "a bit more time" to sort out a  
> voting process, I must confess to feeling more trepidation than  
> assurance.  To be completely fair, he does note several times that  
> he and the rest of the moribund portmgr team would like to move  
> quickly, but given the degree to which that group has also  
> demonstrated itself to be overworked and less than involved in the  
> day to day affairs of MacPorts, anything which delays a solution  
> also runs the risk of blunting some of the current enthusiasm should  
> said "process" end up dragging out longer than anticipated (which,  
> as experience amply suggests, it invariably does) and I honestly  
> don't think we can afford that at this late stage.
>
> I would therefore like to suggest that we simply ratify the  
> following list rather than dragging out a lengthy "voting" process  
> for a set of positions which, from a certain angle, might even be  
> viewed as largely ceremonial since there is no real "power" afforded  
> by membership in the portmgr team.   Volunteers will always choose  
> to follow (or not) such a group on the basis of the credibility of  
> its individual members rather than any fancy paper hats they may be  
> wearing, and the sooner we simply slam those hats on some credible  
> heads and say "Thank you!  Get started!", the sooner we can all get  
> back to discussing the real question of how to get to where we need  
> to go next.
>
> As a courtesy to the outgoing portmgr team, I would also be  
> perfectly happy to see them be the official "ratifiers" of this new  
> team, assuming it passes their sniff test and they're also willing  
> to do so in the next day or two, otherwise I would be just as happy  
> with a statement along the lines of "if there are no significant,  
> well-argued objections in the next 72 hours, they're it!  Quick,  
> before they change their minds!" :-)
>
> Portmgr (subject to individual acceptance, of course - we still  
> haven't heard from two of the four):
> Ryan Schmidt
> Bryan Blackburn
> Rainer Mueller
> Joshua Root
> [Note:  Any subset of the above would also be acceptable - 4 is not  
> some magic minimum number, for all the reasons I've already outlined]
>
> Release engineering team:
> Ryan Schmidt (interim or longer, if he wants it)
> Julio Biason
>
> I'm really not trying to undercut anyone here, least of all jmpp,  
> but seriously folks - we've been suffering from a leadership/ 
> directional vacuum for quite some time now and I don't think we need  
> to bog down the only solution to be offered in quite some time by  
> getting all constitutional about it or saying "hey, wait, let's all  
> think about this for awhile and engage in lengthy discussion!"     
> That might have been a good plan of action about a year ago, and I  
> would be also more than happy to see the "new portmgr" establish a  
> framework for elections and term limits and all the other checks and  
> balances that they might wish to create for future generations, but  
> what we need right now is an immediate "interim government" and some  
> long overdue action on the release engineering front.
>
> Any objections?
>
> - Jordan
>
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