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Sat Mar 12 07:15:54 PST 2011
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 07:39:28AM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
> Xcode 4 supports 10.5!
> Xcode 4 supports iOS 4.3!
> I do not see M$ offering a Development system for free.
Er, actually: http://www.microsoft.com/express/Windows/
> Lion is out in beta!
> Am 11.03.2011 um 12:22 schrieb Bayard Bell:
> > Agreed. Xcode 4 looks to be there for Lion support, so it's logical that it would drop support for 10.5 and any platforms that don't have support after that point. When Apple introduced Leopard, they weren't even shipping PPC-based systems anymore, and it's now getting on five years since the Power Mac G5 was discontinued. Now, as Snow Leopard removed PPC as a default part of universal builds, I expect that PPC support has been diminished by Snow Leopard uptake. (As far as these things go, it would be easier to support platform/OS transitions if Apple had terms for supporting virtualised non-server installs.) Renewing commitment to PPC after Lion transition wouldn't just be a significant commitment and a change of direction but would have to start from a capacity that has atrophied for some years.
> > On the other hand, we're talking about a compiler suite that's just shipped with a relationship to an as-yet unshipped OS that hasn't been clarified by Apple. I certainly wouldn't expect it to "just work" at this stage, and, although its introduction will require some decisions to be made about transition issues, about all that can be tabled at this point is background on policy and history, which doesn't establish more than preferences and how people arrive at them.
> > On a separate note, I think it's pretty lame to have to buy a compiler suite license in addition to an OS license. If you want to charge for the IDE, fine, but in that case, please provide a separate free distribution of the compiler suite. Taken together with Apple's terms for in-app payments and content subscriptions, Apple is clearly moving from revenue sharing to rent seeking from developers and putting a squeeze on FOSS development for its platform in the process, which is a most unwelcome turn.
> > On 11 Mar 2011, at 09:46, Rainer M?ller wrote:
> >> On 03/11/2011 10:28 AM, Panayotis Katsaloulis wrote:
> >>> I believe it should be important to keep PPC compatibility and
> >>> somehow automate the process of "keeping" the old SDK files...
> >> Xcode 4 is for Snow Leopard only which does not support ppc anymore.
> >> Lion is going to be around soon. MacPorts usually supports the latest
> >> two releases of Mac OS X, which will become Snow Leopard and Lion. None
> >> of them runs on ppc anymore, so in the context of MacPorts I don't think
> >> it is worth to support compiling for ppc with Xcode 4.
> >> Rainer
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