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[Al Varnell]

It is true that they loosened the NDA two or three years back, but only that it excludes any information that has already been made public (primarily via the annual WWDC conference, but could also be otherwise made public through no fault of your own, except that you may not post screen shots of, write public reviews of, or redistribute any such materials.). 

For those that have access, the English developer NDA is at <https://developer.apple.com/terms/apple-developer-agreement/Apple-Developer-Agreement-English.pdf <https://developer.apple.com/terms/apple-developer-agreement/Apple-Developer-Agreement-English.pdf>>.

The Public Beta NDA is at <https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal <https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal>>.

Sections 4-6 of the former are the same as sections 5-7 of the latter, for all practical purposes.

Also note these word in the Public Beta NDA "you agree that you will not disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential Information to anyone other than individuals who are enrolled in the same individual seed as you..." which would appear to limit discussions between the two groups.

-Al-

> On Jul 8, 2019, at 18:56, Mark Anderson <mark at macports.org <mailto:mark at macports.org>> wrote:
> 
> I can open feedback via radar or whatever as I’m in the developer program  but also they loosened the NDA a bit a few years back. A bunch of us made a fuss sometime after swift came out since it was vital to help each other before the release. That’s why you can learn about SwiftUI and the like on the Internet today even with the NDA in place. That said, look up the restrictions. Things like screenshots are forbidden. And we should probably just discuss among those of us with a developer account (or public beta) but I don’t know that agreement.
> 
> —Mark
> 
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:25 PM Al Varnell via macports-users <macports-users at lists.macports.org <mailto:macports-users at lists.macports.org>> wrote:
> I would not be allowed to even say if I was, but my understanding is that Feedback submissions from the public beta program are only considered in aggregate and never responded back to individuals.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> -Al-
> 
> > On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:53, Peter Homann <trainman75 at gmail.com <mailto:trainman75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > NDA.
> 
> -- 
> Sent from Gmail Mobile on iPhone
> 
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