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[Christopher Jones]

Hi Ken,

To get specific/technical, if you view the raw source for the first mail I sent in this tread, you will see it  has in its headers

Message-Id: <D4945C1E-C0CE-4ACC-B916-43BCE243AA62 at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>

thats the unique identifier for that mail. 

Then, if you look at Joshua’s reply, it has

References: <D4945C1E-C0CE-4ACC-B916-43BCE243AA62 at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>

Message-ID: <d60e75a6-f684-f564-3748-beb07bfb4bff at macports.org>

Its that Reference line that Mail applications use to know that that mail is a reply to another mail, and exactly which mail it is. The then use these fields to correct thread all the messages in a discussion in the right way.

Now, if you look at your reply, it is missing the Reference field from its headers, even though it is a reply to another message.

Whatever emailer you are using is failing to add this.

cheers Chris
 

> On 19 Jun 2021, at 4:22 pm, Chris Jones <jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> I think you miss understand my point. I was not suggesting you where subscribed to digest or anything.Your mails indeed come in for me as you send them, just like everyone elses.
> 
> When you send an email to the macports mailing list, for some reason your mailer screws up the header information in the mail such that if you are replying to an on going thread my mailer at least (Apple Mail) fails to recognise your mail as a reply to that thread, and thus does not correctly include the message in that thread. It appears as if you have started a brand new mail thread, such as when you compose a new mail rather than reply to one. No one elses mails seem to have this problem, only yours.
> 
> Mailers use specific fields in the header of each mail to decide if a mail belongs to a specifiv thread, and thus for some reason this information is not being correctly set in your emials.
> 
> Cheers Chris 
> 
>> On 19 Jun 2021, at 4:02 pm, Ken Cunningham <ken.cunningham.webuse at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't subscribe to any of MacPorts' email lists, or any others.
>> 
>> So any comments come in new. Didn't realize that was troubling anyone, but thank for letting me know it is.
>> 
>> K
>> 
>> On Saturday, June 19, 2021, Chris Jones <jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk <mailto:jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk>> wrote:
>> Hi Ken,
>> 
>> OT, but whenever you reply to a thread on these lists your emailer always seems to screw up the headers such that your reply starts a new thread. We get the messages but it makes following the discussion harder. I don’t know what emailer you use, but maybe you could look into it ?
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> > On 19 Jun 2021, at 3:43 pm, Ken Cunningham <ken.cunningham.webuse at gmail.com <mailto:ken.cunningham.webuse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hey, maybe we will finally start bundling curl (there is a years-old ticket about this, and someone already laid out the autotools changes to do it).
>> > 
>> > I have been building MacPorts against a custom libcurl on most systems 10.10 and older for years and years.
>> > 
>> > It's trivially simple to do, but to make it easy and resilient I keep a "default" MacPorts installed in /opt/bootstrap and install curl in that, then use that for the primary MP in /opt/local.
>> > 
>> > 
>> 

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