MacPorts vs xquartz? (was Re: openmotif in macports dependencies and xquartz?)

Sat Apr 2 11:39:41 PDT 2011

Hello  Bayard.

I installed a "bare" vim, -at least one without x-support, and I can't reproduce the problem right now. 

I did tried the command with xterm  through XQuartz and I got :0 as the result when I did the ps command on xterm.

I have some discrpancies regarding the $DISPLAY :

Its from my log.  Localhost [0x0-0x11d11d].org.macosforge.xquartz.X11[0]: xauth: (argv):1:  bad display name "Localhost.local:0" in "remove" command

I did a full trace on startx and initx once, and then there popped up display names of (i believe) 
Localhost.local/unix:0. 
I just hadn't the time to deal with it then. I don't have that time now neither, because I can't remember where I put that echo statement do reveal the display parameter.

This may have nothing to do with those problems I addressed in this thread, but as soon as I get around to it, i'll file a ticket or something, in ordre to understand what is happening here.

I am rather new to this, and I thought that XQuartz is to replace X11 as an X-server am I right?

Thanks anyway, I'll comeback to this when I have the time.

Den 2. apr. 2011 kl. 19.02 skrev Bayard Bell:

> Are you able to check your DISPLAY environment variable for each application by comparing the output of ps -Exww -p <pid> for each process? I believe the normal way that Apple defines their X listeners is as LaunchAgents with SecureSocketWithKey, which creates a domain socket in a randomly named directory created by launchd for each session, whose name is inherited by those jobs but not the user.
> 
> As well as the DISPLAY variable, you can use the open command to specify which Xserver you want to use (e.g. open -a XQuartz.app /opt/local/bin/xemacs). My understanding is that you have to create new app and/or bundle names for this to spawn additional Xserver instances, otherwise you'll use what's already there if it's running or launch it if it's not.
> 
> On 2 Apr 2011, at 17:18, Tommy Bollman wrote:
> 
>> Hello Jeremy.
>> 
>> The problem I had was that I installed the +huge port of vim.
>> 
>> I have a good setup of xterm from within xterm. ( I start XQuartz from spotlight).
>> 
>> When I then started up vim from withing the xterm, giving the command "gu", then X11.app 
>> would start and do the window handling for vim I believe.
>> 
>> The result was that I ended up having both X11.app and XQuartz.app visible in the command bar. (The one I get when I press cmd-Tab ).
>> 
>> I think the problems goes for other apps as well.
>> 
>> Since then I have installed a port which doesn't use X11, and MacVim, but I really would like
>> to have the menus and such from within XQuartz.
>> 
>> I wonder how I fix this, so that vim/xim only uses XQuartz as the window server.
>> -If the problems would go away if I recompile, using the libraries found in the /opt tree?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Den 1. apr. 2011 kl. 03.30 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Tommy Bollman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello.
>>>> Can I read this as I might manage to get vim/xim building with only macports libraries and not the ones shipped with Apple
>>> 
>>> Yes.  That is the policy in MacPorts (to prefer in-tree dependencies rather than system-provided ones).
>>> 
>>>> -And make it work without firing up X11.app ?
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what you're asking... You could use any X server you want...
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Den 31. mars 2011 kl. 23.25 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Philip J. Schneider wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kinda highjacking my own thread here... :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Considering Jeremy's feedback, I downloaded openmotif and all its dependencies, and so I can now build/run an X11 app using MacPorts-provided headers and libs. (That is, with only /opt/local-based paths specified in XCode.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A few questions:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. In very general terms, how do the xquartz-provided X includes and libs differ from those provided by MacPorts? Pro/con on using one vs the other?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The ones in MacPorts are generally the latest versions.
>>>>> The ones from XQuartz are also generally the latest version as of the release date.
>>>>> The ones from Apple are a bit more dated / stable for consistency across major releases of the OS.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. If one did want to distribute an X11 application that needed one or more X-related libraries not provided by the default system (e.g. openmotif), what would be the recommended approach? I might wish to assume that the users would not want to build up their own fink or MacPorts installation... :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd recommend using the host X11 libraries.  Link your application (including extra libraries) against those, and ship everything not part of the system.  You could use something like /opt/myapp as the prefix for building all your bits and just ship /opt/myapp (and probably place /opt/myapp/bin into $PATH via /etc/paths.h/myapp
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
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