MacPorts vs xquartz? (was Re: openmotif in macports dependencies and xquartz?)

Jeremy Huddleston jeremyhu at macports.org
Sat Apr 2 23:07:56 PDT 2011 

Yeah, my initial response remains.

Additionally, org.x.privileged_startx.plist is not relevant here since you are talking about XQuartz.app and MacPorts/X11.app.  org.x corresponds to Utilities/X11.app 

--Jeremy

On Apr 2, 2011, at 17:47, Tommy Bollman wrote:

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> Videresendt melding:
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>> Fra: Tommy Bollman <tommyb06 at student.uia.no>
>> Dato: 3. april 2011 02.44.53 GMT+02.00
>> Til: asu Users <applescript-users at lists.apple.com>
>> Emne: Re: MacPorts vs xquartz? (was Re: openmotif in macports dependencies and xquartz?)
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Oops I forgot to include the contents of  org.x.privileged_startx.plist file for the sake of completedness.
>> 
>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
>> <plist version="1.0">
>> <dict>
>> 	<key>EnableTransactions</key>
>> 	<true/>
>> 	<key>Label</key>
>> 	<string>org.x.privileged_startx</string>
>> 	<key>MachServices</key>
>> 	<dict>
>> 		<key>org.x.privileged_startx</key>
>> 		<true/>
>> 	</dict>
>> 	<key>ProgramArguments</key>
>> 	<array>
>> 		<string>/usr/X11/lib/X11/xinit/privileged_startx</string>
>> 		<string>-d</string>
>> 		<string>/usr/X11/lib/X11/xinit/privileged_startx.d</string>
>> 	</array>
>> 	<key>TimeOut</key>
>> 	<integer>120</integer>
>> </dict>
>> </plist>
>> 
>> Have a nice evening.
>> 
>> Den 2. apr. 2011 kl. 20.48 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>> 
>>> Yeah, you're definitely setting DISPLAY somewhere in your environment.
>>> 
>>> Check out the DISPLAY debugging info on the XQuartz FAQ:
>>> 
>>> http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/X11-UsersFAQ#sshXforwardingdebugging
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:39, Tommy Bollman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello  Bayard.
>>>> 
>>>> I installed a "bare" vim, -at least one without x-support, and I can't reproduce the problem right now. 
>>>> 
>>>> I did tried the command with xterm  through XQuartz and I got :0 as the result when I did the ps command on xterm.
>>>> 
>>>> I have some discrpancies regarding the $DISPLAY :
>>>> 
>>>> Its from my log.  Localhost [0x0-0x11d11d].org.macosforge.xquartz.X11[0]: xauth: (argv):1:  bad display name "Localhost.local:0" in "remove" command
>>>> 
>>>> I did a full trace on startx and initx once, and then there popped up display names of (i believe) 
>>>> Localhost.local/unix:0. 
>>>> I just hadn't the time to deal with it then. I don't have that time now neither, because I can't remember where I put that echo statement do reveal the display parameter.
>>>> 
>>>> This may have nothing to do with those problems I addressed in this thread, but as soon as I get around to it, i'll file a ticket or something, in ordre to understand what is happening here.
>>>> 
>>>> I am rather new to this, and I thought that XQuartz is to replace X11 as an X-server am I right?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks anyway, I'll comeback to this when I have the time.
>>>> 
>>>> Den 2. apr. 2011 kl. 19.02 skrev Bayard Bell:
>>>> 
>>>>> Are you able to check your DISPLAY environment variable for each application by comparing the output of ps -Exww -p <pid> for each process? I believe the normal way that Apple defines their X listeners is as LaunchAgents with SecureSocketWithKey, which creates a domain socket in a randomly named directory created by launchd for each session, whose name is inherited by those jobs but not the user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As well as the DISPLAY variable, you can use the open command to specify which Xserver you want to use (e.g. open -a XQuartz.app /opt/local/bin/xemacs). My understanding is that you have to create new app and/or bundle names for this to spawn additional Xserver instances, otherwise you'll use what's already there if it's running or launch it if it's not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 Apr 2011, at 17:18, Tommy Bollman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Jeremy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem I had was that I installed the +huge port of vim.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a good setup of xterm from within xterm. ( I start XQuartz from spotlight).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I then started up vim from withing the xterm, giving the command "gu", then X11.app 
>>>>>> would start and do the window handling for vim I believe.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The result was that I ended up having both X11.app and XQuartz.app visible in the command bar. (The one I get when I press cmd-Tab ).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the problems goes for other apps as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since then I have installed a port which doesn't use X11, and MacVim, but I really would like
>>>>>> to have the menus and such from within XQuartz.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wonder how I fix this, so that vim/xim only uses XQuartz as the window server.
>>>>>> -If the problems would go away if I recompile, using the libraries found in the /opt tree?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Den 1. apr. 2011 kl. 03.30 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Tommy Bollman wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>> Can I read this as I might manage to get vim/xim building with only macports libraries and not the ones shipped with Apple
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes.  That is the policy in MacPorts (to prefer in-tree dependencies rather than system-provided ones).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -And make it work without firing up X11.app ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you're asking... You could use any X server you want...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Den 31. mars 2011 kl. 23.25 skrev Jeremy Huddleston:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Philip J. Schneider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Kinda highjacking my own thread here... :-)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Considering Jeremy's feedback, I downloaded openmotif and all its dependencies, and so I can now build/run an X11 app using MacPorts-provided headers and libs. (That is, with only /opt/local-based paths specified in XCode.)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A few questions:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 1. In very general terms, how do the xquartz-provided X includes and libs differ from those provided by MacPorts? Pro/con on using one vs the other?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The ones in MacPorts are generally the latest versions.
>>>>>>>>> The ones from XQuartz are also generally the latest version as of the release date.
>>>>>>>>> The ones from Apple are a bit more dated / stable for consistency across major releases of the OS.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2. If one did want to distribute an X11 application that needed one or more X-related libraries not provided by the default system (e.g. openmotif), what would be the recommended approach? I might wish to assume that the users would not want to build up their own fink or MacPorts installation... :-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using the host X11 libraries.  Link your application (including extra libraries) against those, and ship everything not part of the system.  You could use something like /opt/myapp as the prefix for building all your bits and just ship /opt/myapp (and probably place /opt/myapp/bin into $PATH via /etc/paths.h/myapp
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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