XFCE

[Anders F Björklund]

James Linder wrote:

>> "In general, application bugs should be reported to the developers of the app (?upstream?), not MacPorts."
>> But I think it's safe to say that no-one* is running Xfce on Darwin/XQuartz, so this is Terra Incognita...
>> 
>> Anyway, the bug tracker is: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
>> 
>> * the jury is still out on "why would anyone want to do that", even though it "should" still be possible.
>> For most normal users, something like VirtualBSD would probably be a better option. Or at least packages.
>> 
>> See http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbsd.html
> 
> Pierre to add to comments above 
> I?m a great fan of xfce and run that on my many linux machines.
> Ideologically I hate apple, but apple make their hardware and software play together very nicely e.g. bluetooth at boot, e.g. nice sound from their crappy speakers e.g. heat from core sleep vs (hot) heat from core throttle e.g. the wireless on my mac mini is perfect under OS X but rather iffy under any linux distos that I have tried.

Running Darwin only was _always_ painful, and even X11.app isn't included with the OS anymore...
So there are not many good options available besides running XQuartz on OS X, for that hardware.

> After playing with xfce on the mac mini for a few days the only benefits I could find were having X11 all the time (subtle reasons) and xfce4-terminal. iTerm does a pretty equivalent job.

Actually neither Terminal nor Midori is a part of the default installation of Xfce any longer...
You are free to set any terminal emulator or web browser in the "Preferred Applications" setting.

http://www.xfce.org/projects
	http://www.os-cillation.de/en/open-source-projects/xfce-terminal/
	Last release (0.6.3) of this application was done two years ago.
	It needed some patches to even show up under FreeBSD and Darwin.

The main "problem" with xfce4-terminal is that it uses the old VTE library from GNOME Terminal...
And just like GTK+ (with gtk3), that is now getting more and more GNOME-specific in later releases:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=790186

> So I have to conclude that my mac(s) do exactly what I need, that mac ports is the glue that turns this into plain sailing and the xfce port is very interesting, but for me, what?s the point. Clementine (not mac ports) even plays my oggs.

These are the only components remaining in the Xfce core:
	xfwm4
	xfce4-panel
	xfdesktop
	xfce4-session
	xfce4-settings
	xfce4-appfinder
	exo
	garcon
	xfconf
	Thunar

The rest are all applications (or dependencies/plugins):
	midori
	xfce4-terminal
	mousepad
	orage
	ristretto
	squeeze

But I can't really see any reasons to run any of them stand-alone, if not running a X11 desktop...
Theoretically you could have them running with the Quartz backend of GTK+/GDK, and not use X at all.

Though in that case, most people would prefer a native app ?

--anders