Brandon Allbery allbery.b at
Fri Jun 17 21:54:06 PDT 2016

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Alexey Kuznetsov <
kuznetsov.alexey at> wrote:

> I read emerying carefully. Very informative. But you missing a point. I'm
> not talking why it is not possible. Do you think all Linux distoros more
> compatible between each other than Mac with three build

As someone who's been involved with Linux almost from the beginning, and
has been a Linux sysadmin for several decades: I *know* they are more
compatible. I mean, the "alien" program (which converts between various
Linux package formats) has existed for almost as long as Linux
distributions have; while it can't translate differences between init
systems, for most applications it's an ugly but effective way to use
packages from one Linux distribution on other distributions. And LSB (and
Red Hat's crusade to slam systemd down everyone's throat) has largely
mitigated the other differences.

> system's? They all have problem you mention, including absolute path
> linking (they are using same liking tools) and more! But they all
> understand they need to be together and they find the way. I'm

ELF does *not* use absolute paths. Mach-O does. It also appears that you
did not notice that OS X ld is *not* binultils ld, and binutils ld is known
to cause various things to break badly on OS X, even when it's not lagging
the latest Apple changes to Mach-O "load commands" (runtime loader
opcodes). (And it certainly isn't gold, which only works on ELF objects.)

ELF objects contain references to SONAMEs of the form, which
are located via $LD_LIBRARY_PATH and/or /etc/, and as long as
the FOO and the N are the same (and most systems have compatibility library
packages to ensure that) stuff will generally work. And, barring systems
like Gentoo (which is often looked down on by users of other Linuxes, in
part for this reason), the libraries are built with the same or compatible
options everywhere.

Apple-provided, Fink, MacPorts, and Homebrew all use different library
paths, deliberately because of default build options and compatibility
issues. MacPorts and Homebrew both are similar to Gentoo (more correctly,
all of them are similar to the BSD ports system) in that it's easy for
users to change library options in incompatible ways. You see this in
MacPorts when using non-default variants causes archives to be ignored in
favor of local builds --- because variants don't just change what files are
installed, they change how the program is built. The prebuilt archive's
libraries, if any, will not be compatible with what you build with
non-default options.

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